combs-digest Friday, March 22 2002 Volume 04 : Number 480 COMBS&c.: Correction to 1920 Butler Co OH Re: COMBS&c.: William Nelson Coombes Re: COMBS&c.: William Nelson Coombes COMBS&c.: Fwd: Thomas Cumby/Agnes Weatherford COMBS&c.: Fwd: Hawk/Hock query Re: COMBS&c.: Fwd: Thomas Cumby/Agnes Weatherford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:06:15 EST From: FetherTail@aol.com Subject: COMBS&c.: Correction to 1920 Butler Co OH Hi ya'll, I had sent Vivian Moon the posting I made about the 1920 Butler Co OH Census and she sent me a correction for one of my notes and info on another Combs. Debi Middletown ED 65 HH# 206/229 Andrew COMBS head m w m KYKYKY Olive wife 28 m w f KYKYKY Charley son 12 s w m KYKYKY Millie dau 10 s w f KYKYKY Ella dau 8 s w f KYKYKY Frank son 2 s w m KYKYKY Olive "Ollie" ESTES was the d/o Mason "Mase" & Marsha NEWMAN Estes, NOT Moses & Mariah. Ollie COMBS resides R.F.D. #1, Middletown married, white, female spouse: Andrew COMBS age 46 yr 9 mo 13 ds born 15 Oct 1888 Ky died 14 Oct 1934 Lemon Twp., Middletown, Butler Co., OH buried: Middletown Cem., Middletown, OH 15 Oct 1834 father: Mase ESTES b Ky mother: Marah NEWMAN b Ky informant: Andrew COMBS >From the Middletown Journal, Middletown, Ohio October 14, 1934 COMBS - Mrs. Ollie, 46, wife of Andrew Combs, Rolling Mill Park, died 3:30 a.m. Saturday. Services Monday, 2:30 p.m. at Church of God. Rev. R. C. Caudill will officaiate. Burial in Middletown Cemetery, J. R. Baker, funeral director. ********* Middletown ED 47 107/118 Martin W. BARKER head 56 m w m KYKYKY Mary A. wife 52 m w f KYKYKY ?Inez dau 15 s w f KYKYKY William T. GOAD boarder 27 s w m KYKYKY Virgil COMBS boarder 22 s w m KYKYKY Vivian believes that Virgil is the same person as Virgil Sherman Combs, s/o John M. & Fannie TAULBEE Combs. Middletown, OH Mar. 10, 1964 VIRGIL COMBS, 67, Dies; Retired City Fireman Virgil S. Combs, 67 of 1602 Park Dr., retired city fireman, died at 5:55am today, about 30 min. after being admitted to Middletown Hospial. Mr. Combs was a member of the Middletown Fire Department from 1928 to 1958 and was a charter member of the Middletown Firefighters Association. He was a fire inspector at the time of his retirement. He was a World War I veteran and a member of the American Legion Post 218, St. Paul's United Church of Christ and the Friendship group and Brotherhood Class of the Church. Surviving are his wife Beulah; two sons, Charles of Middletown and Paul of Los Angeles a brother Dorsey of Camden; and three grandchildren. Services will be hels at 2 PM Thursday at the Wilson memorail Home with the Rev. Robert McNamara officiating. Burial will be in Woodside Cemetery. Virgil Sherman Combs Cert. # 116 resides: 1602 Park Dr., Middletown, Butler Co., OH married, white, male, veteran occupation: city fireman, fire inspector SS# 294-20-0379 born: 27 Apr 1896 Lexington, KY died: 10 Mar 1964 Middletown Hosp., Middletown, Butler Co., OH cause of death: coronary occlusion buried: 12 Mar 1964 Woodside Cem., Middletown, OH father: John M. COMBS informant: Mrs. Beulah COMBS, 1602 Pk. Dr. Combs Motto: How Do You Know? And if you don't know, just ask! http://www.combs-families.org/combs/ Copyright 2001 Poster and Combs &c. (compilation only) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:25:06 -0800 (PST) From: lg Subject: Re: COMBS&c.: William Nelson Coombes Susan, After matching the info for William Nelson, these are some differences that you have from what I have. 1. William Nelson born 1-8-1803(you have 1808). 2. Nelson Coombes and Hannah Glover were from Pa(you have from VA). 3. Joseph Coombes married Mary Luckens(you have Matilda ?). She was born abt 1708 in Loudon, VA. William Nelson Coombes children: 1. Leven born 7-9-1823; you have abt. 1824 2. Isaac Nelson born 10-24-1824 died 4-30-1905; you have born abt 1826. 3. Nancy born 2-4-1828; you have died in infancy which I also have. 4. Margaret Adda born 5-25-1829 died abt. 1869. 5. Zachariah Ellis died abt. 1895; you have 10-25-1825-this can't be if he was born 3-30-1833. 6. Mary Morton born 6-13-1837; you have abt 1837. 7. William Hamilton born 3-26-1840; you have died in infancy which I also have. 8. Matilda rececca born 9-18-1842; you have abt 1843. 9. I do not have any other info than what you have on the twin boys. 10. William Ivy born 6-17-1847 I have William Nelson's wife Ivy died 7-6-1847. These are the things that I see right now. Any other thoughts on these? I am open for a discussion on these points. Still Searching, Linda K. Green __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ Combs Motto: How Do You Know? And if you don't know, just ask! http://www.combs-families.org/combs/ Copyright 2001 Poster and Combs &c. (compilation only) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:53:27 -0800 From: "Vermandois-Montgomery" Subject: Re: COMBS&c.: William Nelson Coombes Note that a daughter of Joseph and Mary Lukens Coombs was under the care or guardianship of the Lukens family a few years after the marriage. Thom - ----- Original Message ----- From: "lg" To: Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 7:25 PM Subject: Re: COMBS&c.: William Nelson Coombes | Susan, | | After matching the info for William Nelson, these are | some differences that you have from what I have. | | 1. William Nelson born 1-8-1803(you have 1808). | 2. Nelson Coombes and Hannah Glover were from Pa(you | have from VA). | 3. Joseph Coombes married Mary Luckens(you have | Matilda ?). She was born abt 1708 in Loudon, VA. | | William Nelson Coombes children: | 1. Leven born 7-9-1823; you have abt. 1824 | 2. Isaac Nelson born 10-24-1824 died 4-30-1905; you | have born abt 1826. | 3. Nancy born 2-4-1828; you have died in infancy which | I also have. | 4. Margaret Adda born 5-25-1829 died abt. 1869. | 5. Zachariah Ellis died abt. 1895; you have | 10-25-1825-this can't be if he was born 3-30-1833. | 6. Mary Morton born 6-13-1837; you have abt 1837. | 7. William Hamilton born 3-26-1840; you have died in | infancy which I also have. | 8. Matilda rececca born 9-18-1842; you have abt 1843. | 9. I do not have any other info than what you have on | the twin boys. | 10. William Ivy born 6-17-1847 | | I have William Nelson's wife Ivy died 7-6-1847. | | | These are the things that I see right now. Any other | thoughts on these? I am open for a discussion on these | points. | | Still Searching, | Linda K. Green | | __________________________________________________ | Do You Yahoo!? | Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® | http://movies.yahoo.com/ | | | Combs Motto: How Do You Know? And if you don't know, just ask! | http://www.combs-families.org/combs/ | Copyright 2001 Poster and Combs &c. (compilation only) | Combs Motto: How Do You Know? And if you don't know, just ask! http://www.combs-families.org/combs/ Copyright 2001 Poster and Combs &c. (compilation only) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 17:17:57 EST From: FetherTail@aol.com Subject: COMBS&c.: Fwd: Thomas Cumby/Agnes Weatherford Please remember to include Sam's email addy, whitbyu@erols.com if you respond to this email. Subj: Thomas Cumby/Agnes Weatherford Date: 03/21/2002 12:26:17 PM Central Standard Time From: whitbyu@erols.com (Sam and Uta Whitby) To: webmaster@combs-families.org Dear Combs Family Webmaster, This morning at the Library of Virginia in Richmond, VA, I checked the Halifax County Virginia Marriage Bond and Register, No. 1, 1753-1889, on microfilm. On p.55 there was a record of the marriage of Thomas Comba [that spelling] to Agness Wetherford [that spelling], January 12, 1804. Henry J. Cobb was bondsman. The witness name was illegible, but it looked like Charles Cumby. I had seen the document before, and I checked it again this morning, just to be sure before writing to you. It seemed that you might find this interesting, because you mentioned the marriage on your Combs family genealogy page. It is interesting to me because I am a descendent of Thomas Cumby and his wife Agness [also spelled Agnes]. Thomas's surname has been spelled several ways, including Cumba, Cumboa, Comboa, and Cumbey. Later, it was usually Cumby. I have seen it spelled Combs or Cumbs only in transcriptions that were - to be kind- in error.The variant spellings were due to the fact that Thomas could not read or write, and his name was spelled the way it sounded to various officials who needed to record it. Thomas and Agness had three children whose names are known to me: Major Weatherford Cumbia, George A. Cumby/later Cumbia, and Catharine Cumby Pritchard. There were at least three more male sons who I have not been able to identify. George Cumby was my great grandfather's father. By the time my grandfather arrived on the scene, the surname of his branch was spelled Cumbia. I will admit to you that I doubt that there is much if any family connection between the Combs and Cumby lines. Your page was still interesting, and you have obviously done a lot of careful work. You are generous and kind to share the information on the Internet.I hope to check your page from time to time, and I expect it to remain interesting and to perhaps be useful to Cumby family researchers. Maybe the above notes on Thomas and Agness will be helpful to you. Agness's father, by the way, was Rev. John Weatherford, one of the first Baptist preachers in America. Rev. Weatherford was thrown in the Chesterfield jail for preaching without a license. Patrick Henry represented him, in what was an early religious freedom case.The story is that the Rev. almost drove his jailors crazy with his loud and incessant preaching. The jailors beat him on the hands as he held himself up to the jailhouse window by the bars, leaving scars that remained for the rest of his life. Sincerely, Sam Whitby Combs Motto: How Do You Know? And if you don't know, just ask! http://www.combs-families.org/combs/ Copyright 2001 Poster and Combs &c. (compilation only) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 17:56:33 EST From: FetherTail@aol.com Subject: COMBS&c.: Fwd: Hawk/Hock query Here's another forwarded message. Please add Michael's email addy genjedi@angelfire.com if you reply. Debi Subj: Hawk/Hock query Date: 03/22/2002 4:33:30 PM Central Standard Time From: genjedi@angelfire.com (Michael James Brower) Reply-to: genjedi@angelfire.com To: webmaster@combs-families.org Dear Combs family, I was looking at your family website today and noticed that for the 1860 Barry County, Missouri census records that you have a G.W. Hawk (with wife Laura) and a James Wood (with wife Sarah E.) listed in Crane Creek Township. I am descended from this Sarah E. Wood (nee Hawk). Sarah would be my third great-grandmother (see below). I believe, though I have little proof, that she is the daughter of Jesse Hawk (also living in Barry County, MO in 1860). Here is my quesswork. 1. Sarah's first two children were Jesse Tipton and George Washington Wood. Jesse's middle name, Tipton, came from his paternal grandfather could Jesse have come from his maternal grandfather? Also, George Washington was a common name in the Hawk family but not in the Wood family. 2. Sarah was also born in Arkansas, the same as Jesse Hawk's other children. She would also have fallen nicely between two of the other children. 3. It is oral tradition that the Wood younger Wood family had some Indian blood. I believe that it came through the Hawk/Hock family. There are a few other particulars but I believe this will let you understand why I believe that Sarah E. Hawk is the daughter of Jesse Hawk. I also have a question about three Hawk children living with a Cornelious Henderson during the 1850 census in Poinsett County, Arkansas. The children are Sarah (12), what looks to be Ramon (hard to understand this name)(8) and a F.M. Hawk (4). Even though it lists this F.M. Hawk as male I wonder if this could have been Permenda M. Hawk, this daughter of Jesse and Elizabeth. It lists Sarah's birth place as TN but Ark for the other two. I think this could have been an error. Anyway, please let me know what you think. This is the closest I've come to breaking the brick wall that is Sarah E. Hawk (from the 1850 census). I'd really like your input. P.S. I believe that Sarah died before 1865 so we do not have another census record for her. James L. Wood (sr.) her husband remarried and had several more children with another woman. He remarried before 1866. Thanks for your time, Michael James Brower and family Combs Motto: How Do You Know? And if you don't know, just ask! http://www.combs-families.org/combs/ Copyright 2001 Poster and Combs &c. (compilation only) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:57:22 -0800 From: Sue Elfving Subject: Re: COMBS&c.: Fwd: Thomas Cumby/Agnes Weatherford Sam, Thank you for submitting the correction and clarifications. Please, if you will, check our records further for additional corrections, and we would certainly appreciate your continued monitoring of our Halifax and related pages. I am one of those folks who did some of the Halifax court and tax records and do know that I could have easily mistaken your Cumba for Combs. I do remember that I did have trouble distinquishing between the two different names. At times I would ask another researcher who is very good at reading handwriting to help me determine which was which. I have always been worried that I made mistakes with those records. I got better as time went on but was not as astute with the first attempts. We want to be as correct as possible but know we have mistakes in our compilation of records. Sue Elfving At 05:17 PM 03/22/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Please remember to include Sam's email addy, whitbyu@erols.com if you respond >to this email. > >Subj: Thomas Cumby/Agnes Weatherford >Date: 03/21/2002 12:26:17 PM Central Standard Time >From: whitbyu@erols.com (Sam and Uta Whitby) >To: webmaster@combs-families.org > >Dear Combs Family Webmaster, > >This morning at the Library of Virginia in Richmond, VA, I checked the >Halifax County Virginia Marriage Bond and Register, No. 1, 1753-1889, on >microfilm. On p.55 there was a record of the marriage of Thomas Comba [that >spelling] to Agness Wetherford [that spelling], January 12, 1804. Henry J. >Cobb was bondsman. The witness name was illegible, but it looked like Charles >Cumby. > >I had seen the document before, and I checked it again this morning, just to >be sure before writing to you. It seemed that you might find this >interesting, because you mentioned the marriage on your Combs family >genealogy page. It is interesting to me because I am a descendent of Thomas >Cumby and his wife Agness [also spelled Agnes]. Thomas's surname has been >spelled several ways, including Cumba, Cumboa, Comboa, and Cumbey. Later, it >was usually Cumby. I have seen it spelled Combs or Cumbs only in >transcriptions that were - to be kind- in error.The variant spellings were >due to the fact that Thomas could not read or write, and his name was spelled >the way it sounded to various officials who needed to record it. > >Thomas and Agness had three children whose names are known to me: Major >Weatherford Cumbia, George A. Cumby/later Cumbia, and Catharine Cumby >Pritchard. There were at least three more male sons who I have not been able >to identify. George Cumby was my great grandfather's father. By the time my >grandfather arrived on the scene, the surname of his branch was spelled >Cumbia. > >I will admit to you that I doubt that there is much if any family connection >between the Combs and Cumby lines. Your page was still interesting, and you >have obviously done a lot of careful work. You are generous and kind to share >the information on the Internet.I hope to check your page from time to time, >and I expect it to remain interesting and to perhaps be useful to Cumby >family researchers. Maybe the above notes on Thomas and Agness will be >helpful to you. > >Agness's father, by the way, was Rev. John Weatherford, one of the first >Baptist preachers in America. Rev. Weatherford was thrown in the Chesterfield >jail for preaching without a license. Patrick Henry represented him, in what >was an early religious freedom case.The story is that the Rev. almost drove >his jailors crazy with his loud and incessant preaching. The jailors beat him >on the hands as he held himself up to the jailhouse window by the bars, >leaving scars that remained for the rest of his life. > >Sincerely, >Sam Whitby > > >Combs Motto: How Do You Know? And if you don't know, just ask! >http://www.combs-families.org/combs/ >Copyright 2001 Poster and Combs &c. (compilation only) Combs Motto: How Do You Know? And if you don't know, just ask! http://www.combs-families.org/combs/ Copyright 2001 Poster and Combs &c. (compilation only) ------------------------------ End of combs-digest V4 #480 *************************** Combs Motto: How Do You Know? And if you don't know, just ask! http://www.combs-families.org/combs/ ©2001 Poster and Combs &c. (compilation only)